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| 13 Years this 850cc engine work for my Kancil, Now it's time for "him" to rest.. |
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| So I go to the halfcut shop(used autoparts shop) to find suitable engine for my Kancil. Got L200s, L502 and L9/L7 engine. All these engine is EFI-type and turbocharge 660cc with 63hp. But i decide to choose the latest engine..EF-DET (L9/L7) one. |
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| My selection... 660cc Turbocharge engine taken out from Daihatsu Move L9 RS / Coure TR (Look-a-like Perodua Kenari/Kelisa in Malaysia). Complete set with wiring, fuse box and ECU ENGINE SPEC Engine code: EF-DET Power: 47kW / 63hp / 64PS at 6400rpm Torque: 107Nm / 79lb-ft / 3600 Fuel system : Electronic Fuel Injections 3 cylinder and 12 valve DOHC RHF3 turbocharger with intercooler Max standard boost 0.8-0.9 bar |
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| RHF3 Twin Blade Turbocharger. All in standard |
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| Transplant process started. Stock 850cc carburator engine removed from engine bay |
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| Mirian, have you ever seen this guy? He is the one that i trusted for transplant process to my Perodua Kancil from A-X, remaining Y-Z, I will do it by myself later.. |
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| Replace wear & tear parts. Timing belt set, oil seals, clutch set and mounting. |
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| EF-DET engine replaced 850cc carb position. The air conditioner set still using stock Perouda Kancil except the compressor, using L9. Car aircond workshop will do this part later. |
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| Wiring in progress.. Can't wait to drive this little monster.. |
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| READY!! It's time to drive it home and feel what this engine can do.. But still cannot kepissh kepissh too much yet..let it running 1-2 weeks and exhause work done. Then............hehe. But with manual transmission it is "very hard" to avoid blowoff valve from sneezing. |
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| A day after checked out from workshop.. more gadjet will be in here after this.. |
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| Extra.. Interior with Gold TRXX L2 seats |
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| Extra. My Kancil Dashboard |
where r u doing transplant bro..may recommended to us.?
ReplyDeletezack
N2 bro.. Piasau industrial. Go straight after the noodle factory and you will find it on the right if you drive from Hong Seng Motor..
DeleteGo to N2 if you want it ready in 3/4days. Labour charge a bit expensive. but if you can wait in 2-3weeks, i suggest you to go to another location. Emart area..but i forgot the workshop name..before he offer me RM1k for installation only..excluding part. I will update the workshop name later..
DeleteIs the L9 a twincam engine?
ReplyDeleteBase on my knowledge, TWINCAM (twin camsharf)and DOHC (Double Overhead Camsharf) refer to the same thing. This EF-DET (L9) engine if you refer to its spec is DOHC.. so it is a TWINCAM.. am I right?
DeleteYeah I'm quite confuse with twincam and DOHC...after doing some google,it is basically a same thing..thx!
Deleteone thing to ask,the power steering is hydraulic or electronic?
DeleteSorry for late reply.. just come back from holiday..
Deletegot power steering pump (with belt) and hydraulic tank behind this engine. I think it is hydraulic power steering..am I right?
Nice project done on your car bro. I am getting one for my kancil too. You actually made a right choice for the engine as l9 ef det spec engine is more torquey then the rest of 660cc range in term of standard spec. When you change your timing belt u using original l9 or kenari/kelisa belt? So how the power/pickup so far? :)
ReplyDeleteThanks bro.. U also using this engine? I saw label on the box of the timing belt set is " for Kancil L5/VIVA 660). Can use he told me.. About the power, very impressive..I love the G-force very much..
DeleteSo far no problem, except the idle during cold start. The RPM will drop to 500 from 2k and will be continue up and down until the engine reached its ideal temp. Any idea?
Not yet use. I m still finding halfcut l9 ef det rs spec for my kancil. So far havent found one yet. For the idling issue can be alot of factor. Try check your idling valve. Might be faulty
DeleteOk tq bro. check later..
Deletehello there..i found ur blog while i was search engine that might fit kancil 850.. is the engine u use is plug n play or u need to adjust the mounting? coz if im not mistaken that is engine for kelisa or kenari right? plus..is it possible if want to fit avy turbo engine into kancil? because as far as i knw it is the most latest technology..
ReplyDeleteThanks for visiting my blog.. Yes, this is move(kenari) and coure(kelisa)engine, just plug n play to Kancil and no need to modify the mounting. AVY turbo engine also EF engine, can p&p to Kancil/Kelisa/Kenari.
DeleteSo far I never seen any AVY Turbo halfcut or engine at Miri..myb AVY Turbo still new in Japan..
tq for repying :) so it just plug and play..just for my info..in EF category for kancil, which 1 is more powerful?which 1 is easy to maintain and get sparepart? if u wouldnt mind to share..coz im newbie in making engine comparison
DeleteIn EF family, EF-DET is the most powerful. AVY Turbo also using this code (EF-DET) if I am not mistaken..you can refer to this link and make comparison. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daihatsu_E-series_engine#EF-series_.28660_cc.29
DeleteEasy maintain and get sparepart? of coz Mira L2 Turbo. Not much electronic/sensors but too old. Suggest L9/L7 (EF-DET)engine where you can use (some of it) kelisa/kenari spareparts if you cant find AVY turbo engine.
can i have your suggestion bro?im thinking of spend around 9k for my kancil..it is for all if possible..bodypart l2,interior l5, new absorber (also dont know which 1 to use for support rim and still have comfort) and sport rim 14 with tyre,repaint whole car and also engine transplant..i still confuse want to take which engine,but in my mind dont want to use timing chain model..so which 1 engine is easy for newbie like me? avy turbo is out of my list rite now due to the price, so in my mine l2s, l6, or l9..hope u can guide me..
Delete* i want good handling, turbo engine, smooth engine.
Wow..RM9k.. You will love your Kancil even more than your new car after this.. L9 turbo 3 pistons(EF-DET) is THE BEST bro, using TIMING BELT. Absober i suggest affordable one, a set of ProRide absober & spring. If you want to feel the power of EF-DET engine, 14inch 5.5-6.5jj rims is the best. Believe me bro, you wont regret with this engine..
DeleteNote: Another version of L9 turbo is JB-DET, which is TIMING CHAIN and 4 pistons..(HARD TO FIND SPAREPART!!)
tq for suggestion bro.gonna make the recipe and calculate again the budget :)
Deleteim now converting into rf-rl twincam. cant get ef-det coz of budget.can i ask u to make instruction to change bov from standard to aftermarket one? and what type bov suitable for low boost engine? i may want the original but first maybe just used cap ayam (fake) coz of budget. and can u plz state cons of using fake bov (if there is cons) thanx a lot bro :)
Delete* ef-rl auto from l5 convert manual my engine
DeleteStandard bov got 3 hose.
Delete1. Main hose from intercooler pipe to bov (bigger than other)
2. Breather hose (connected to head cover) A bit smaller than above,
3. Smallest, vacuum hose connected to the intake/throttle body
changing into aftermarket bov very easy bro..just ready with hose that suit your new bov & intercooler pipe to replace hose no.1 above. Use back vacuum hose (no.3 above) into you new bov. Now, hose no.2 (breather hose) stand alone with open end right? because aftermarkent bov dont have port for breather hose. Find breather filter (can be found at car accessories/performance shop) to fit into the open end to avoid water/dust come inside. can refer here http://www.lowisslow.com/2013/08/perodua-kancil-ef-det-inside.html (as mine, breather filter just below the intercooler, blue colour).
most of aftermrket bov such as HKS, GReedy, Trust can be use for low boost engine. Original one recommended. Imitation or "Cap ayam" can be use in short term, but worried it mulfunction when in high boost, where the valve won't open to release extra/unused compressed air. This situation can damage your turbo.
orite bro..thanx in advance :) will do it later
Deletel9 ef-det n ef-rl what is different?i saw l9 ef-rl if i'm not mistake..
DeleteL9 with EF-RL engine? Sorry, I never knew about that..If i'm not mistaken, EF-RL only available for Mira (Trxx). Both engine (ef-det & ef-rl) DOCH 12Valve (3 cylinder), 64hp@47kW.
DeleteDifferent in torque. EF-RL 105Nm@4000rpm, while EF-DET 107Nm@3600rpm. EF-DET win! haha
thnks for your info jiken bill, i almost wasted money to buy that ef-rl engine..T.Q
DeleteHi, came across your blog and found it to be informative and interesting. I myself is into cars as well. Just would like to ask if it is worth to convert a Kelisa 1000cc engine to a EF-DET 660cc turbo. I'm looking for a minor perfomance upgrade as well as a converting manual to an automatic transmission.
ReplyDeleteThank you friend..
DeleteIf you ask me if it is worth or not, my answer is YES. upgrade from 56hp (EJ-DE) to 64hp (EF-DET). L7/Coure also use the same engine (EF-DET). Maintenance between 1000cc (n/a) and 660 turbo not much different if you let it (660 turbo) with factory setting.
hello....did your turbo using any of factory solenoid boost controller ? it seems the hose from turbo just through into wastegates...
ReplyDeleteI didn't find any factory boost controller on my engine..
DeleteHi can you help me out, I'm looking for a Daihatsu CB70/80 engine parts? The CB70/80 is from the charade GTTI which is the 1.0L three cylinder engine with a twin cam fuel injection motor, if you can help me find parts kindly let me know at unichipmark@gmail.com.
ReplyDeleteregards
Mark
hi, ur blog is very helpful & simply informative, i enjoyed reading it..can u make a post about removing kancil 660 dashboard diy coz i think i want to replace the burned out bulb at the aircond indicator area..tq
ReplyDeleteHi. New or old model kancil? I think no need to remove the whole dashboard just to change the bulb. Just remove the cd/radio player and you can easily find the bulb's wire (2-wired). twist the bulb holder to the left/right to remove it from dashboard.
Deletep/s Sorry for late reply
hi, thank you for ur reply, its the old model kancil.
Deletehai bro..wanna ask u about the wiring..do u replace all the 850 wiring to L9?..can the l9 wiring connect to 850 meter?example like the indicator light,temperature,rpm,aircond??..and how about ur fuel tank?do u change it to internal/external fuel pump?? or just added a fuel pump(kampung style la).. will the 850 gearbox fit into the l9??..
ReplyDeleteOnly L9 ignition wires are used. Other than that such as gauge, lights, acc still use Kancil. Yes, L9 engine can use 850 meter but the RPM reading maybe sightly different.
DeleteFuel tank, advised that you use L2/L5 injection fuel tank. I use L5 fuel tank. Gearbox 850 can fit to L9 engine, as mine..
hi jiken..i got halfcut L9 ef here but my kancil is 850ezi izzit suit with my kancil?izzit plug n play n the power stering can use to my kancil?or something need to change?pls tell me,i'm not expert in enjin..sry for many question to ask..>.<
DeleteIts ok bro. Should be no problem L9 engine fitted into 850/660 kancil. If you prefer to use hydraulic power Steering, you can only use back the pump and liquid tank. Steering rack you can take from Mira L2. If you prefer an electric power steering (ECU controlled), you can take it out from Mira L5/L6.
Deletethx for replying jill :)L9 i'm going to install u to my kancil hehee...!!
DeleteOh i see..So just plug n play to 850 meter la?..can kelisa/kenari part use to replace l9?.. i notice that u had change ur radiator..cause standard radiator cant use for the this engine?
ReplyDeletenot 100% pnp bro, still need re-wiring. I suggest you to use L5 gauge, but you need to change the whole dashboard. So that you can use L5 gauge or the best one L9 gauge. If you don't want to change the whole dashboard, just use gauge from L2 (Injection engine) because L2,L5 and L9 gauge got "Check Engine" indicator. Standard radiator cannot support heat from 12-valve engine (especially turbocharged engine) and can cause engine overheating. Replace it with L2/L5 double layered radiator or buy aftermarket one as mine.
DeleteWow...very useful tips...may i know is it easy to maintain avy rs turbo engine...
ReplyDeleteIt just the same with other engine. Just do not use mineral oil for turbo engine. Use semi-synthetic oil or if you afford fully-synthetic oil. but for me semi-synthetic just nice. If you do not want extra maintenance cost, just let it with factory setting, do not modified here and there. Take good care of your right foot (very important). Remember that, Daihatsu Japan produce 660 turbocharged engine for the purpose overtaking and climbing-up the hill. Not for racing..
Deletethanks bro...
DeleteSo far how was ur fuel efficiency?
ReplyDeletenormal driving with low rpm, speed between 80 - 90km/h: RM40 for 310++km. (or RM10 = 80km). If drive aggressively, blow-off valve always sneezing and speed 110-130km/h RM10 = 65-70km only. Its all depends on your right foot..
Deletejill ..i want to know which engine turbo is better is L2S or L9?my friend says l2s is better coz all body party is PNP,but i dont mind the body part.all i want is which top speed..:)(L2S vs L9).
DeleteL9 technology newer than L2. L9 12-valve Twincam and L2 12-valve singlecam. L2 use RHB31 turbocharger (standard boost 0.5-0.6 bar) which is smaller than L9 with RHF3 turbocharger standard boost 0.8-0.9bar.. So,L9 is better..
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Deleterelly..?ok thx alot jiken bill..hmm..yesterday I ask my friend I want L9 L9 more power that what I said,n he said l9 not really so power la try avy or yrv,i ask him avy n yrv suit for kancil ?he didnt know cuz he driving myvi..lol.jilken so what about avy n yrv enjin is suit for kancil?if can can u tell me more about avy n yrv?sry jiken,I have too many question to ask.:-#
DeleteSo confused,which turbo is better for kancil..x.x?
DeleteSorry very late reply. I assume you mention about AVY RS (turbo). AVY engine use the same code with L9 engine, EF-DET. Same spec, same 64hp. but AVY newer than L9. If you can find AVY, that is the best choice.
DeleteYRV turbo (K3-VET) engine too powerful for our lightweight kancil. You can fit YRV into your kancil. but for drag purpose only.. You will never can drive it on the road. Why? because of different mounting (need to mod mounting) and more than 25% increment of original cubic capacity (cc) allowed as YRV is 1.3cc. You can try endorse, ask for approval from automotive engineering department. But the chances is very low..
is ok..thanks for your information..:D
DeleteWhat size did you use for your piping exhaust..2inch or 3inch?
ReplyDelete2-inch as my Kancil is manual transmission. 3-inch too big..
Deletehow about the clutch plate ef-det n cover?is it same as kelisa?
ReplyDeleteclutch plate & cover I am not very sure boss.. I reuse 850cc Kancil manual gearbox.
DeleteDid u also reuse the 850cc clutch plate & cover?
ReplyDeletebuy a new one..and i'm not sure whether he use kancil or kenari/kelisa clutch plate & cover. but i think it is Kancil.
Deletehow much is the over all cost bro?
ReplyDeletealmost RM5k bro..inc labour & parts
DeleteHelo jiken..i wonder if you can share me your wiring diagram from computer box to fuse box..thanks..
ReplyDeleteSorry friend..can't do that. Too crowded there (ecu & fuse box)..
DeleteOh ok nevermind..which fan did u use for ur radiator bro?cause i had some trouble fitting the fan on hks radiator..The l9 fan is too thick
DeleteI use back kancil's fan..
DeleteHi Jiken, did you get your modification endorsed by JPJ? Did you get it endorsed by yourself or by the mechanic?
ReplyDeletehow much you buy the engine only? I went to KL to buy my halfcut for RM2500 from L9. But then haven't do anything to it. Want to transfer the turbo parts from EF-DET to my kelisa EJ-DE...
For those asking about Avy turbo engine...I think it's still very new, right?
By the way, I'm also from Miri.... Staying in Senadin area but most of the time in Labuan :)
Hi..engine change must be endorsed by JPJ, and of cause need inspection by PUSPAKOM first. I ask for runner service to do this, but you can spend the whole day to do it by yourself and save your $$$ a lot. Runner will ask around RM250-350 depend on modification, and below RM100 if you DIY. I bought the engine for RM2500 complete wiring, ecu, gearbox..still like new. most of my friend say expensive..but i put it aside because the engine was in very good condition. just change clutch, timing belt kit & engine oil.
DeleteBolt-On-Turbo to EJ-DE block with EF-DET part?. Emmm Wasting I think.. If you plan to upgrade ur EJ-DE, why don't you just BOT with better parts & front mount inter-cooler instead. I understand that you want to maintain 1000cc right. I list it down here what you need.
1. 72mm Nissan March Low comp piston (p&p to EJ-DE block) RM250
2. Deltafin front mount Inter-cooler (new) RM200 bigger intercooler
3. TD04L turbo (RM700) bigger turbo
4. stainless steel intercooler piping RM400
5.Blow off valve RM200
6. Exhause custom manifold RM500
gross total RM2050.. If you use RHF4 turbo (RM350), less than that bro..
but that's is just my opinion bro.. otherwise, just replace EJ-DE with full set of EF-DET. Again, if you plan to upgrade EF-DET, you need all above except Low Compression piston.. double cost.
last but not least, EF-DET is a better platform for playing with turbo..
Yup, AVY turbo still new, lucky for those who own it. AVY turbo halfcut entering our market already...
Hi, thanks for your replay and advise.
ReplyDeleteI just want to have an "OEM" look. Not going for extreme modification and high horsepower car.
fuel pump of this engine located at tank or engine?
ReplyDeleteStock fuel pump bro, in the fuel tank
Deletelokasi halfcut kat mane bro? ape name halfcut tu? banyak enjin lantai dye..ingt nak cari set hydraulic power steering..skang pakai eps..tapi problem ar
ReplyDeleteenglish version : where's the halfcut location? and the premise name..im looking for hydraulic power steering..mostly found comes together with l9 engine..as for now, im using electric power steering (eps) but, so problematic
EPS mmg slalu problem/jamm lebih2 lgi bila wiring dh kacu sana sini. hydraulic PS x bnyk mslah.. Halfcut tu kt Miri, Swak..
Deletehai Jiken.saya nak tukar 660 standar to L9 turbo. saya nak tahu bolehka hydraulic PS L9 tu install sekali. kalau perlu modified, apa yg perlu saya buat. TQ
DeletePS L9 tu boleh guna tangki, hose & pum. Stering rack tak boleh pakai sbb panjang. Cari stering rack Mira L5 yang pakai hydraulic punya. Then maybe mau cari coupling yang sesuai untuk mencantumkan stering rack & stering sharf.
DeleteTQ Jiken. keta dah siap pasang tp pomen x pasang PS. nanti saya cari dulu rack mira L5 hydraulic. Problem saya lagi, bila on aircond, engine x stabil. Minta tolong Jiken guide mcm mana n apa perlu dibeli. maklumla poket dah kering. TQ bro..
Deleteidling aircon x cantik mmg biasa terjadi bila kacuk wiring.. hantar kedai aircon kereta, dorang tau apa nak buat. Biasanya FICD (Fast Idle Control Device) dari toyota boleh membantu.
DeleteWhy is when im starting at 1st gear my boost reading is 0.5 but when change to 2,3,4,5 gear it boost till 0.7..is it a boostcut??why only on the 1st gear had 0.5?? L9 standard,rhf 3..
ReplyDeleteI think it is normal. Because you simply accelerate too quickly and build high RPMs so quickly in first gear, and then you shifted to the 2nd gear. That's why the boost cannot reached into its max level. Easy to say that, not enough time tor fully boost.
DeleteMy standard L9 rhf3 max boost is 0.9bar. Maybe there was a leak somewhere at the inter-cooler piping or vacuum hose. I am referring to your 0.7 boost..
p/s: Full boost at 1st gear really make you & ur car crazy..haha. But be aware that, for standard/factory setting car it can cause mechanical problem.
It must be the air leak cause the boost needle spike up and down when boosting..better recheck the hoses.. im setting my fuel regulator to 20psi..izzit suitable?
DeleteStill cant get full boost at 1st gear..now the 2nd gear also cant get full boost..3,4,5 gear can up to 0.9 now...can it be the boost solenoid preventing from full boost??..
Deletereally almost 5K?or more?
ReplyDeleteHey Jiken. im planning to change my 660N/A to EFDET L7 engine, is it the same with L9 EFDET engine? how about the twincam, is it can occur many problems rather than using single cam? and last question, its better for me to have whole halfcut set or just engine? tq. -newbie
ReplyDeleteEF-DET L7 & L9 same engine
DeleteTwincam give you more power and should not make any problem.
Whole halfcut is the best choice.. complete wiring. You can also ask the seller to start the engine and check the engine's conditio before you buy it. Bring along your mechanic if you are not sure what to check.
Hai Jiken. Saya peminat sukan bermotor. Nak tanyer pendapat. Skrg sy guna enjin EJ-DE dan dah bolt on turbo. So, nak tahu, mana satu blok lebih baik untuk di gunakan. (EF-DET 660cc @ EJ-DE 1000cc) Tujuan nya adalah untuk drag @ sprint test 402 meter. Thanks bro...
ReplyDeleteSusah jga nk ckp mana satu bro..ni semua depend dgn resepi tuner. ada yg suka blok EF, da juga yg suka blok EJ. Blok ED (850) pn favourite juga bro.. tapi kalau aku, aku guna EF-DET punya sbb blok tu mmg utk turbo punya. pasti boleh tahan boost tinggi ckit. Tapi kalau nk maintain 1.0cc tu guna blok EF-DET, kena rebore la kan utk masuk piston 72mm.. sbb piston EF-DET 68mm kalau aku tak silap.
DeleteK. Thanks bro.. Satu lagi maslah kereta sy, sblm nie sy guna turbo subaru rhf4 vf13 & vf27. Kedua-dua turbo tu berasap bila lepas sprint 402 meter. Lepas tu upgrade ke turbo TD04L, pun sama jugak. Apa masalah nya bro. Sy boost dlm 2.8 - 3 bar jer. Dah tukar kit baru pun sama juga. Thanks...
Delete2.8-3.0 bar JER????? hahaha.. seb baik blok x pecah bro.. Terlalu tinggi boost tu utk RHF4 bro... TD04L pn susah nk tahan dgn boost tinggi tu..mmg cnfm kondem turbo tu.. RHF4 kalau nak boost 1.3 - 1.8 bar maybe boleh tahan..huhu
DeleteOw, ye ker. Hihihi... patut lah pun. So, apa pandangan bro. Apa TURBO yg bleh sumbat kat enjin gua tuh... biar raban skali jer. Dah pening kapla nie... coz, bulan 3 nie ader drag battle lagi... please help me.... Thanks bro...
DeleteTuan jiken.gearbox untuk enjin fdet rs yg awk pakai tu gearbox auto triptonic ke? Mksud sy semua halfcut L9 rs efdet gearbx triptonic.
ReplyDeleteTak pasti bro.. sebab masa beli tu mmg gearbox auto. tapi x pasti triptonic ke tak sebab terus jual balik dgn kedai dgn hrga RM700. Nak pakai manual GB..
DeleteBos dimiri kat mana kedai nda beli parts? workshop yg buleh tukar kan dahboard plus wiring??
ReplyDeleteparts apa boss? sy suggest Hong Seng autoparts, Piasau Utara.
Deletecan i get kancil 850 ez auto gear box 4 speed and how much cost including installation?
ReplyDeleteYou can easily find it at used autopart dealer. Price around RM500-600 inc labour charge.
DeleteHi Mr Bill,
ReplyDeleteI've got a Kancil with the 847cc fuel injected engine. In the UK these cars are called Nippa. I have been trying to find the correct position for the distributor but have no reference marks. There are no markings on belt pulleys to help me. A strobe light is useless without markings. Can you give some idea of how to set the correct spark ignition timing please? Any help would be appreciated.
very sorry.. I can't help you about this.
DeleteDouble din player...safety bar kena potong ke ..
ReplyDeleteTak perlu potong & x akan kena safety bar tu.
DeleteBro, im interested to transplant my 660 kancil into l9 ef-det. I found an engine l9 content Turbo with inter-cooler,Gearbox (Automatic Transmission)ECU,Cross-member. Besides those listed things, what should I buy or change for my kancil? Fuel Tank? Dashboard for meters? Need some help over here. Thank you in advance bro
ReplyDeleteGearbox fluid
ReplyDeleteEngine oil
EFI Fuel tank
L5/L2 dashboard with meter
Timing belt
L2s air cleaner box
L2/L5 turbo radiator/aluminum radiator
L5 double layer disc brake
refill air condition gases.
automatic gear lever (if currently using manual)
thank you for the fast reply. wow.. that quite a list to buy..all the above can be found in miri?? i still thinknig whether to get l5/l2s/l9.. perhaps u can give me some suggestion.
DeleteL9 EF-DET.
DeleteHai jiken.. I punye kancil 850 standard lg.. Ap I perlu buat nk bg power sket.. Sbb klau muat rmai kereta mcm brt n lmbt pickup.. Nk tukar enjin mcm x mmpu lg..
ReplyDeleteTukar performance spark plug & cable besar
DeleteTukar exzos extractor to 3-1
Pakai open pod air cleaner
Skrg glamor org pakai cyclon. fungsi macam turbo (surbo actually). tapi sejauh mana kebenaran saya x berani jamin. sebab tak pernah pakai.
Tukar paip ekzos besar sedikit dr asal. minta pendapat kedai ekzos utk saiz yang sesuai.
dah ikut tips ni.. dah tukar extractor dan buat exhaust system.. performance mmg up la..
Deletekejap je boleh pegi 140.. spark plug dan label besar lupa nk tukar.. hehe..
skrg rasa mcm nk main turbo la pulak.. mana lg baik pakai turbo kit pada enjin asal ke tukar enjin? dan mana lagi murah?
Terbaik bro
DeleteHai jiken, saya br install L9 turbo rhf3.. Mau tanya berapa maximum boost dia boleh angkat ?
ReplyDeleteTak berapa pasti bro.. dulu pomen aku pernah try sampai 1.8bar.. tapi semua tu settng mesti cantik macam minyak dsb..standard boost rhf3 pada enjin L9 ialah 0.9bar. Kalau naik sampai 1.2bar rasanya masih ok lagi dengan set up standard enjin. lebih dari tu memerlukan engine management, performance fuel pump& juga injector,yang lebih besar cc nya.
ReplyDeleteOk.. Mau tanya lg skrg clutch saya pakai masih 660cc standard, perlukah saya tukar racing clutch atau clutch 850cc ?.. Ada kelebihan kah klu saya pasang e-manage di kereta saya? lepas pasang enjin L9 saya punya RPM meter tdk berfunsi coz mekanik ckp sambungan wayar tak sama, (kancil mata bulat) betulkah tu? Tq untuk jawapan semalam..
ReplyDeletekalau nak cantik lagi tukar la clutch racing. emanage, klau nak boost tinggi boleh pakai. kalau boost standard, x perlu. kelebihan mmg ada. Untuk RPM tu, mmg wayar tak sama. tapi kebanyakan pomen boleh sambung wayar RPM asal dengan ECU dengan mudah.
Deletehello bro... ssya punya l9.. standar.. rpm tk dapat pakai sbab tak sama wire..u tau mekanik yg pandai bikin kah
DeleteHello brother, i want to know if the ej-ve will fit a NA l500 kancil 660 cc using the same mounts and everything and can i use my 660cc gearbox, or will the 1l gearbox fit, thanks!
ReplyDeleteEj-ve can fit to kancil 660. same mounting but not everything esp wiring. 660 gearbox cannot use to ej-ve (1000cc), too much differences of gear ratio. use 1kcc gearbox..
DeleteHi I also have the same engine but my turbo does not have the turbo cover...do u know where to get one? Thanks you.
ReplyDeletebro my kancil 850i engine was gone..so i planned to change kelisa engine,so what is ur opinion?kelisa engine and kenari engine is the same??i need ur help for newbie like me..
ReplyDeletetwo version of kelisa, 850 & 1000cc. 1000cc kelisa's engine same with kenari.. 1000cc kelisa/kenari engine is the best choice.
Deleteizzit easy to maintain kelisa engine?my pormain said if fix kelisa engine hav 2 change to auto gear..y?
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DeleteEasy as other car. Still can use manual gearbox la if use kelisa's gearbox.
Deletebro, nak tanye..masuk enjin L9..driveshaft pakai apa ye?
ReplyDeleteBiasanya L9 660 auto. Boleh guna drivesharf Kancil lampu bulat (belalang) auto 850cc.
DeleteHi Mr Jiken, wanna ask some question. why you prefer manual compare to automatic transmission?
ReplyDeleteAnd did dashboard kenari fit to kancil 850? tq
Because I can push my engine to the limit..to feels more power on each gear levels. Kenari dashboard cannot fit to Kancil bro..
Deleteoh, ok. thanks so much. so useful you opinion. one more question. did i need to do the top overhaul for the second hand engine. what i need to do for the new installation. i mean what i need to change/ what typr of oil seal and other to change. tq
ReplyDeleteHelo bro, seeking for you advice.. how much overall cost including parts and instalation?? Is this engine compatible for viva and which area in miri do you recommend??
ReplyDeleteHai jiken. Tq utk jwpan tempoh hari tu. Update enjin L9 660cc, sdh general overhaul, intercooler depan sdh, guna RHF4 vf33, clutch lining 850cc, ground wayering, RPM meter ok sdh.. e manage belum pasang lagi... Mau tanya mcm mana setting itu fuel regulator? standard boost 3 - 4 saja normal kah tu?..
ReplyDeleteStandard boost 0.3 - 0.4 saja normal kah tu?
DeleteHi Mr Jiken , can i know how's your car now ? is it still good FC and how's the maintance ?
ReplyDeleteHi Jiken, would like to know the timing belt and engine oil filter for move rs tiptronic l9 compatible with which perodua model? Also, the std boost is 0.6 bar. How can i boost up to 0.8-1 bar? Self adjustable? Thanks in advance.
ReplyDeleteL9 660t if I not mistaken they use viva 660 timing belt for my engine before.. but let me reconfirm it 1st ok
DeleteUse boost controller. Turbosmart Boost tee or other boost controller to up your boost
DeleteOk...tnx bro....awaiting your confirmation on timing belt.
DeleteL5 660cc twincam , use boost controller can up boost till .?? Standard boosting is 0.5bar only geh?
DeleteMaaf tuan...tumpang tanya...sy br overhaul l2 sy 2 bln lpas..pantang dh habis..sy pakai piston kelisa turbo masih standard..br2 ni lepas rembat bila berhanti dlm idling xdak kepulan asap...tapi bila jln semula ada kepulan asap putih..xpi xlama dlm gear 2 terus hilang...sampai rumah sy rev berkali2 xpi xdak pulak asap putih...yg ada hanya asap hitam dlm kuantiti sedikit..boleh tuan jelaskan kenapa? Sory sb lari topik...tq
ReplyDeleteSampai sekarang masalah tu masih ada? piston kelisa bermaksud L2 tu dh oversize 72mm kan. berkemungkinan salah satu valve seal mengalami sedikit kebocoran, ataupun seal pada turbo juga mengalami kebocoran kerana perubahan pada paras compression yang agak tinggi (dari standard L2 ke 72mm). Saya sarankan untuk menukar ke turbo yang lebih besar untuk menampung kapasiti yang dihasilkan oleh piston 72mm tersebut. Walaubagaimanapun, ini hanya pendapat saya dan saya nasihatkan untuk mencari pakar-pakar enjin turbo di kawasan tuan untuk kepastian.
DeleteHi bro, want to ask you, I am thinking of swapping my Viva EJ-DE to the avy rs turbo, when you swap your engine how hard is it to maintain? Like finding oil filter and air filter and all. Also did you use runner for the jpj endorsement? I worry about the hassle of swapping, how was performance for you after swapping? Got any increase in torque?
ReplyDeleteThanks for your time bro
Hi..
Deleteok. Emm. Turbo engine almost the same in term of maintenance as long as you let it standard as what you get from half-cut. Oil filter & spare parts you can easily find here (new & used) but i am not sure about air filter. Use at least semi-synthetic engine oil.Never use mineral. Endorsement you can do it by yourself or by runner.
Performance; Impressive!!. Even though you downgrade into 660t from 1000, still you can feel the power 660t more powerful than 1000cc.
Ok, now I want you to think something.. why not you just bolt-on-turbo to your stock 1000cc engine. More powerful than 660 turbo. Then you still can maintain your engine number on the registration card. Why i'm saying this because your stock engine is 1000cc and if you use avy rs engine, you about to downgrade it into 660 in the registration card. If you budget to spend RM5-6k on avy rs turbo half-cut plus installation, why not to spend that amount (more than enough) to bolt-on-turbo your 1000cc engine..complete with engine management. you can use top-mount or front-mount intercooler. Still, this is just my opinion bro..take it or leave it. its all up to you.. For your information, my current engine now is EJ-VE 1000cc bolt-on-turbo. no more EF-det. Thanks bro..
anything you can whatapp my number 0198687669. thanks
DeleteThanks so much for the advice and information bro!
ReplyDeleteI can see what you mean, I was thinking of bolt-on after I saw the speedworks turbo package for viva though very skeptical when i saw the price.
How is your bolt-on so far? Reliable in daily driving and traffic? Would love to have some review on the bolt-on, thanks again bro!
Modification depends on your needs bro.. As for mine, still reliable for daily driving even with oversize 73mm piston 1.8bar of boost. Only one thing is because of using racing clutch & double press clutch plate make clutch pedal more harder.. that for drag compatible haha. As for normal mods, still can use standard clutch, standard piston (max 1.1bar of boost), optional engine management and fuel pump (if needed). can save your money.. if you want more boost, change piston, engine management, clutch, fuel pump and maybe turbocharger. still in your budget RM5-6k.
DeleteHi jiken
ReplyDeleteI plan to change my kancil belalng 850 manual to, auto engine
Plan to give the car to my sister, so need conversion with lesser problem
Read from the net, they say can use avy turbo engine, newer technology compared to l2, or l5
How about dashboard,? Can fit to kancil?
Or need to rewiring
Please advise
Thanks
AVY dashboard cannot fit to Kancil.. can use L5 dashboard. Only can use AVY engine wiring and ECU..
Deletehi jiken..sy mau tny apa beza enijn l6 dengan l9...n sy sudah pkai enjin l6..smua standard cuma tukar piping ekzos 2"..n satu lg pngguunaan mnyak sgt parah..kenape ye?ade x care nk jimatkan pnggunaan minyak..thx!
ReplyDeletebeza..emm x brpa bnyk beza. L9 torque tinggi sikit. banyak sensor.. and L9 agak baru sikit dr L6. Minyak kadang kala depend on cara pemanduan.. sensor2 pn mau cek, sbb klau sensor bermasalah esp sensor o2, mmg akan mempengaruhi bacaan ecu utk agihan minyak..
Deletehi bro, my cousin was thinking of transplanting engine of his problematic kancil 660 (stock standard) to newer engine (he need to either do full overhaul or swap engine, both also cost quite a lot). So if he were to select a budget option that can make the car last longer, L9 is a good choice?
ReplyDeleteIs this the same / similar engine you put into this kancil of yours?:
http://www.mudah.my/Halfcut+move+l9+rs+efdet+utk+kenari+kelisa-29951566.htm
thanks
Yup L9.. just let it standard klau nak enjin tahan lama..and don't over rev!! haha Same engine with mine before bro..
DeleteHelo jiken.. just asking. How better choice between L6 and L9rs.. dri segi power and maintenance
ReplyDeleteL9rs better than L6.. power L9 better. Maintenance emm..lebih kurang sama ja bro..L9 senag lagi cari sparepart
Deletesorry lambat reply bro..
DeleteHello brother. Ada something mo tanya bah ni. Mana 1 bagus? Pasang turbo kit pada enjin asal yg bukan turbo OR tukar engin + build in turbo?
ReplyDeleteP/s : newbie in engine. Thanks boss!
enjin asal apa bro? Klau enjin asal (kaburator) kancil, x bagus utk bolt-on turbo. bagu tukar enjin turbo 660 skli. Kalau nak sedap lagi, cari enjin 1000cc, bolt on turbo. bajet kena lebih sikit la dri tukar enjin turbo 660..
DeleteHi everyone....any.of u here has spark.plug coil for JB DET engine 4 piston?? If u do pls whatsapp me at 0195352953.
ReplyDeletecan try find it in ebay.com. hard to find it here..
DeleteHi bro.. I have a 94 Kancil 660 stock engine. M planning yo convert into non turbo engine. M more into long distance and fuel efficiency driving.. I need ur advise on which engine would be the my conversion? M thinking of L7( kelisa) 1000cc to convert.. Or u have any advice or better suggestions for me bro??
ReplyDeleteOr the best engine to convert bro....
Delete1000cc kelisa/kenari/viva engine is the best..
DeleteHi bro, i'm planning to convert my Viva 850 to auto transmission. My friend suggest me 3 options. First, look for Viva 1000cc engine lantai with auto gearbox. Second, install EF660 turbo halfcut engine pair with auto gearbox. Third, BOT current 850 engine. Which one do you think can last longer? Since my car is only having 7000km mileage so far and 1 year old. Thanks a lot!
ReplyDeleteI'm confused which one you want. change transmission (gearbox to auto) or change the whole engine. If you want to change engine and transmission, viva 1000cc with auto gearbox is the best. If you want to maintain the engine, just change the gearbox to auto.. if you want to maintain engine, change gearbox to auto and feel the turbo, then just bolt it on turbo. Which one last longer, depend on how you take care and drive it. even bolt on turbo can last longer than N/A engine
DeleteHi everyone, need your kind professional advice.
ReplyDelete@Kelisa 2003.never having any engine oil leak, but the auto oil leak.
1. So Nov'14 changed draftshaft oil seal and timing belt + its oil seal due to old timing belt.
2. Engine oil leak instantly starts, also the squealing sound while driving, slowing down, changing speed.
3. 2nd replace at the same workshop (15 Jan), still engine oil leak and its more, the squealing sound extremely consistent, non-stop irritating now.
4. 10/2/15 at Perodua, changed Gasket, Oil Pan & its seal only.The advisor just think the sound is due to brake pad so lubricated it but the squealing sound remain the same. Still leaking engine oil.
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Question:
1. Should the engine be replace?
2. Shall I get to Perodua SC to have proper timing oil seal replacement?
Kindly advise soon
Need proper check such as water pump bearing, aircond & crank pulley bearing also squealing if bearing problem. No need to replace the engine. Just find and check where the sound come out and where the oil leak. Engine oil leak can leak from engine head gasket, oil pan gasket, oil filter area, Better wash your engine with chemical and then you can easily spot where it leak.
DeleteHi Everyone,
ReplyDeleteI just want to ask L9 3piston & L9 4 piston which one more power ? top speed ? I am planning to move in to Kelisa 850, Thanks.
Both model have same horse power output that is 64hp.. i suggest L9 3 piston (ef-det). L9 4 piston (Jb-jl) hard to find sparepart and expensive
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ReplyDeleteHi Mr Kent Bill. Right now I have Kancil 850. The kancil already converted with Kelisa EJ-DE 1000cc engine 2 years ago. I already thinking of upgrade the engine in the future. For your information, the car only to be use as daily transportation.
ReplyDeleteMy questions:
1) can I put bolt-on turbo + front mount intercooler on my standard EJ-DE, without modifying anything on the inner engine part?
2) how much will be the cost to install bolt-on turbo kit in your opinion? Do we have the brand new option or just use whatever available on halfcut market?
3) do i need to upgrade the brake system if I install bolt-on turbo? Because as right now, the kancil still using standard 850 brake system. If yes, from which model do I need to take the brake and how much in your opinion?
4) am I need to
upgrade the suspension to adjustable? If necessary, which brand and how much it will cost me? What is the advantages of using adjustable?
5) if I install bolt-on turbo. do I need to upgrade the gearbox as well? How much and from which model do you suggest?
6) If I install bolt-on turbo, do i need to register the turbo installation and upgrading the brake system to JPJ?
If I choose to use standard EJ-DE:
1) do I need to upgrade the brake system?
as for your information, the car already not running now due to problem with the radiator. Already fix few times but somehow the problem still occur, overheat.
After all, do RM5,000 enough for the total upgrade (questions 1 - 6)?
Thanks in advance for your kind and willingness to answer my questions Mr Kent Bill.
1) can I put bolt-on turbo + front mount intercooler on my standard EJ-DE, without modifying anything on the inner engine part? - YES, BUT STAY ON LOW BOOST (0.3-0.7 bar)
Delete2) how much will be the cost to install bolt-on turbo kit in your opinion? Do we have the brand new option or just use whatever available on halfcut market? HALFCUT. FOR STANDARD BOLT ON (using L5-L9 turbo kit) AROUND RM3K, FOR BIGGER TURBO, FRONT MOUNT INTERCOOLER MAY COST YOU MORE AROUND RM5K.
3) do i need to upgrade the brake system if I install bolt-on turbo? Because as right now, the kancil still using standard 850 brake system. If yes, from which model do I need to take the brake and how much in your opinion? OPTIONAL. IF AFFORD TO UPGRADE IS BETTER. CAN USE MIRA L2OOS OR l5OO DOUBLE LAYER DISC BRAKE KIT. BIGGER THAN STANDARD KANCIL/KENARI/KELISA. FOR FRONT DISC BRAKE KIT ~RM250, REAR DISC BRAKE (TAKEN FROM MIRA L500) ~ RM700-1000.
4) am I need to
upgrade the suspension to adjustable? If necessary, which brand and how much it will cost me? What is the advantages of using adjustable? NOT NECESSARY. IF HAVE BUDGET, YES AND IT IS BETTER FOR HANDLING. A LOT OF BRAND CAN YOU CHOOSE. ADVANTAGES; CAN ADJUST HIGH/LOW ANYTIME YOU WANT.
5) if I install bolt-on turbo. do I need to upgrade the gearbox as well? How much and from which model do you suggest? NO NEED UPGRADE IF ONLY RUNNING ON LOW BOOST
6) If I install bolt-on turbo, do i need to register the turbo installation and upgrading the brake system to JPJ? NO NEED AS LONG YOUR ENGINE ENDORSED. PLEASE REFER TO JPJ FOR MORE ACCURATE INFORMATION & DETAILS
If I choose to use standard EJ-DE:
1) do I need to upgrade the brake system? UPGRADE IS BETTER.. STANDARD STILL CAN BE USE.
as for your information, the car already not running now due to problem with the radiator. Already fix few times but somehow the problem still occur, overheat.
After all, do RM5,000 enough for the total upgrade (questions 1 - 6)? ENGINE UPGRADE RM5K IS ENOUGH. EXCLUDE AIRCON & BRAKE UPGRADE.
How to contact , urgent message
ReplyDeleteHi kent bill...do you sell MAP sensor for JB DET engine?
ReplyDeleteNo bro..sorry
Deletehai,
ReplyDeletekancil sy skrg guna enjin L6jbjl auto.skrg enjin tersebut mkn minyak itam dan kurang power..sy igt nk tukar enjin ej1000..gearbox l6jbjl boleh x guna utk ej1000.selain enjin,wyering dan comp box, apa lagi yang perlu sy tukar.kos berapa
Bleh pkai..tapi enjin 1.0cc nnti jdi lembab sbb beza gear ratio.. kos tu xleh nk cakap..lain tmpt lain cara, lain caj nya.. satu lagi yg perlu ditukar rasanya gear link dr tombol gear ke gearbox..pkai kenari/kelisa punya.. (kalau pkai gearbox 1.00
Deleteoo.so bter sy tukar gear box skli..ej1000 boleh masuk turbo.ada kedai ambil 600 klu nk masuk turbo.enjin 2 tahan ke dgn turbo.
DeleteRm600 murah tu.. myb masuk turbokit L7/L9 kot. Enjin EJ tahan bolt on turbo..oversize piston 73mm pon ble lagi 2.5bar boost..p depend dgn setting.. klu pkai turbokit L7/L9 & x kcau internal enjin, kaki kena jaga la jgn asyik nak lenjan kt traffic light..xlma mmg kuar asap putih cmtu haha..
DeleteHai, kawan baru ambik kancil enjin L5. Tapi baru guna 2,3 kali, hari ni tak boleh start. Bateri okay. Ada apa-apa yg perlu di periksa / set kan ke? Kawan baru dlm mira turbo ni.
ReplyDeleteCmfirm ok ke bateri..cuba cek pkai volt meter, mke sure atas 12volt. Klu batt confirm ok, then cuba buat grounding wire..klau still x ok, maybe starter rosak..b4 tu, cek wiring dekat2 terminal + bateri tu..kot2 ada connector longgar..yg ada 2 wayar keci kembar
DeleteJust recently did halfcut conversion from 850 to L6 JBJL AUTO.
ReplyDeleteCurrent changes :- upgraded 12" stock tyre/rims to 165/55/R14. Upgraded to Turbo exhaust system from stock kancil 850,
Any other changes I need to make ? Would love to improve a bit power/pick up and more stability/handling
Currently my brakes are very weak after I did transplant. Barely any gripping power as well. How do I upgrade it ? Halfcut suppose to have front brake disc included right ? I doubt it is installed since I was still using 12" that time. Do you think I can get it done if I ask them to install it ? My tires keep hitting my wheel arch as well after I have upgraded from 12" to 14". Especially when there's height difference when driving or fetching people. What can I do to fix these issues ?
Is there any other minor changes I need to make such as changing spark plug as well ? As I have made no changes at all.
Would love if you are able to let me know which specific engine oil / transmission oils I should use. I am totally new to the Automotive world. Trying to learn as much as possible. My first car that I own.
Hi bro,
ReplyDeleteWhat RPM the RHF3 started to spool up? How about if it is already fully tuned?
blh tya bolehkah enjine 660cc standard caburator tukar caburator standard 850cc?
ReplyDeleteSy rasa boleh.. tp not much different bro..
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DeleteHi bro..sy pakai enjin l5 twincam ..problem sy bila crusing with aircond on around 60 to 80 kmh aircond will automatic cut off and temp naik..bila off aircond temp turun balik...kipas depan belakang radiator dah pasang..tp bila enjin dah panas power lost..sometimes its ok..cruising smooth..what is the real problem..kepala pening...ada foreman cakap gasket dh bakar...tp kalo gasket bakar start enjin sekejap je temp akan naik...temp akan naik bila aircond cut off while cruising over 60kmh...help me bro..
Deletedh tuka yg besar/L2/L5 turbo punya radiator? Klu ori mmg x ble support heat.
Deletedh tuka yg besar/L2/L5 turbo punya radiator? Klu ori mmg x ble support heat.
DeleteSaya ada problem sdkit. Nak tanya admin dan sesiapa yg berpengalaman dlm k-car. Saya asalnya guna engine EX660(M) pada kancil mata petak tahun 2001. Pada awal thn 2013, saya tlh install kat kedai halfcut engine L6 turbo 660 (LSD Automatic Gearbox). Crossmamber, Gearbox Auto, drive shaft, steering rack, EPS, dan kaki2 semuanya masuk dlm krta kncil sya.Tetapi mslh nya skrg payah nak alignment tayar(lari ke kiri). Adakah sbb frame cross member L6 xsma dgn kancil EX660?@ sbb steering rack adlh EPS?
ReplyDeletePerlukah sya tukar crosmember ke L2?
Dan bagaimana sya nak cari drive shaft baharu kiri & kanan utk L6 Auto Gearbox ni? Lower Amr L6 ada spare parts baru ke? Kat mna nak cri Rocker cover gasket L6? Bolehkah tak perlu guna aluminium yg di rivet dkt Valve cover tu, yg ada 3 seals plug? Help me. Sabahan peminat k-car.tqvm
Crossmember L6 & L2/Kancil mmh x sama. Drivesharf kena bawa yg asal ke kedai sparepart. Myb yg DS kncil 660 ble pkai. Yg cover gasket pun kena bawa yg asal utk comparison..x sure pkai yg mna. Cover atas tu utk ttup plug ble buka xpa asal seal x bocor..tkut seal bocor nnti cuci enjin masuk air
DeleteEngine apa yg sesuai upgrade dari l2? 1000 dvvt auto atau l9?
ReplyDeleteDua2 sesuai..ikut kehendak nak rsa turbo pkai L9, nk rilek pkai 1.0
Deleteape beza enjin l9 dgn avy bro? mane lagi sesuai masuk kancil 850
ReplyDeleteHampir sama..tapi avy baru lagi & air intake menghadap ke depan. Klau ada avy, ambik avy
DeleteHi men, i need you help! Give me pls pinout/the schemes ECU EF-DET, I want to replace the EF-VE with EF-DET, I have Mira l700, im sorry that bad speak English, im from Russia :)
ReplyDeleteI really appreciate this project. And I'm interested the dashboard. May I order it a unit, please? where should I contact?
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DeleteBro, tumpang tanya boleh! Nak tahu apa rear disc brakes untuk convert plug and play for kereta kelisa? I hear banyak cakap quite complicated, braket kena mod... Ada yang boleh DIY, senang pnp? Or if got other website yang boleh cari info need, pun boleh! Baru siap upgrade K3-vet, ambik sekali brek depan disc fr half-cut. Tapi, untuk lulus JPJ, i hear require disc-brake belakang pun. Thanks in advance! :)
ReplyDeleteI need this engine in Kenya how can i get it e-mail deumwaka@yahoo.com
ReplyDeletephone number: +254 722 245 143
Hai bro. Tumpang tanya boleh. Kancil engine 660 bukan turbo l5 timing belt dia guna apa punya ya. Sama dgn kancil 660 ka. Tq.
ReplyDeleteAny comments on avy kancil NA engine?
ReplyDeleteEnjin avy rs turbo d kk sabah skarang jual murah ja 1500 enjin with wayaring dan komputer box. Enjin l9 pun sama juga harganya. So kira brbaloi la beli enjin ni zaman skarang..
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