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Tuesday, 21 May 2013

Perodua Kancil 850cc Converted to 660cc Turbocharge EFI (EF-DET) engine

13 Years this 850cc engine work for my Kancil, Now it's time for "him" to rest..

So I go to the halfcut shop(used autoparts shop) to find suitable engine for my Kancil. Got L200s, L502 and L9/L7 engine. All these engine is EFI-type and turbocharge 660cc with 63hp. But i decide to choose the latest engine..EF-DET (L9/L7) one.

My selection... 660cc Turbocharge engine taken out from Daihatsu Move L9 RS / Coure TR (Look-a-like Perodua Kenari/Kelisa in Malaysia). Complete set with wiring, fuse box and ECU

ENGINE SPEC
Engine code: EF-DET
Power: 47kW / 63hp / 64PS at 6400rpm
Torque: 107Nm / 79lb-ft / 3600
Fuel system : Electronic Fuel Injections
3 cylinder and 12 valve DOHC
RHF3 turbocharger with intercooler
Max standard boost 0.8-0.9 bar

RHF3 Twin Blade Turbocharger. All in standard

Transplant process started. Stock 850cc carburator engine removed from engine bay

Mirian, have you ever seen this guy? He is the one that i trusted for transplant process to my Perodua Kancil from A-X, remaining Y-Z, I will do it by myself later..

Replace wear & tear parts. Timing belt set, oil seals, clutch set and mounting.

EF-DET engine replaced 850cc carb position. The air conditioner set still using stock Perouda Kancil except the compressor, using L9. Car aircond workshop will do this part later.

Wiring in progress.. Can't wait to drive this little monster..

READY!! It's time to drive it home and feel what this engine can do.. But still cannot kepissh kepissh too much yet..let it running 1-2 weeks and exhause work done. Then............hehe. But with manual transmission it is "very hard" to avoid blowoff valve from sneezing. 

A day after checked out from workshop.. more gadjet will be in here after this..

Extra.. Interior with Gold TRXX L2 seats 


Extra. My Kancil Dashboard

The pictures not very clear because taken from my phone. My next project is EXTERIOR..L502 bodypart in my mind. just wait for updates okey..
Posted by Jiken Bill at 11:46:00

97 comments:

  1. where r u doing transplant bro..may recommended to us.?





    zack

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    1. N2 bro.. Piasau industrial. Go straight after the noodle factory and you will find it on the right if you drive from Hong Seng Motor..

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    2. Go to N2 if you want it ready in 3/4days. Labour charge a bit expensive. but if you can wait in 2-3weeks, i suggest you to go to another location. Emart area..but i forgot the workshop name..before he offer me RM1k for installation only..excluding part. I will update the workshop name later..

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  2. Is the L9 a twincam engine?

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    1. Base on my knowledge, TWINCAM (twin camsharf)and DOHC (Double Overhead Camsharf) refer to the same thing. This EF-DET (L9) engine if you refer to its spec is DOHC.. so it is a TWINCAM.. am I right?

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    2. Yeah I'm quite confuse with twincam and DOHC...after doing some google,it is basically a same thing..thx!

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    3. one thing to ask,the power steering is hydraulic or electronic?

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    4. Sorry for late reply.. just come back from holiday..
      got power steering pump (with belt) and hydraulic tank behind this engine. I think it is hydraulic power steering..am I right?

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  3. Nice project done on your car bro. I am getting one for my kancil too. You actually made a right choice for the engine as l9 ef det spec engine is more torquey then the rest of 660cc range in term of standard spec. When you change your timing belt u using original l9 or kenari/kelisa belt? So how the power/pickup so far? :)

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    1. Thanks bro.. U also using this engine? I saw label on the box of the timing belt set is " for Kancil L5/VIVA 660). Can use he told me.. About the power, very impressive..I love the G-force very much..
      So far no problem, except the idle during cold start. The RPM will drop to 500 from 2k and will be continue up and down until the engine reached its ideal temp. Any idea?

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    2. Not yet use. I m still finding halfcut l9 ef det rs spec for my kancil. So far havent found one yet. For the idling issue can be alot of factor. Try check your idling valve. Might be faulty

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    3. Ok tq bro. check later..

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  4. hello there..i found ur blog while i was search engine that might fit kancil 850.. is the engine u use is plug n play or u need to adjust the mounting? coz if im not mistaken that is engine for kelisa or kenari right? plus..is it possible if want to fit avy turbo engine into kancil? because as far as i knw it is the most latest technology..

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    1. Thanks for visiting my blog.. Yes, this is move(kenari) and coure(kelisa)engine, just plug n play to Kancil and no need to modify the mounting. AVY turbo engine also EF engine, can p&p to Kancil/Kelisa/Kenari.

      So far I never seen any AVY Turbo halfcut or engine at Miri..myb AVY Turbo still new in Japan..

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    2. tq for repying :) so it just plug and play..just for my info..in EF category for kancil, which 1 is more powerful?which 1 is easy to maintain and get sparepart? if u wouldnt mind to share..coz im newbie in making engine comparison

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    3. In EF family, EF-DET is the most powerful. AVY Turbo also using this code (EF-DET) if I am not mistaken..you can refer to this link and make comparison. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daihatsu_E-series_engine#EF-series_.28660_cc.29

      Easy maintain and get sparepart? of coz Mira L2 Turbo. Not much electronic/sensors but too old. Suggest L9/L7 (EF-DET)engine where you can use (some of it) kelisa/kenari spareparts if you cant find AVY turbo engine.

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    4. can i have your suggestion bro?im thinking of spend around 9k for my kancil..it is for all if possible..bodypart l2,interior l5, new absorber (also dont know which 1 to use for support rim and still have comfort) and sport rim 14 with tyre,repaint whole car and also engine transplant..i still confuse want to take which engine,but in my mind dont want to use timing chain model..so which 1 engine is easy for newbie like me? avy turbo is out of my list rite now due to the price, so in my mine l2s, l6, or l9..hope u can guide me..
      * i want good handling, turbo engine, smooth engine.

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    5. Wow..RM9k.. You will love your Kancil even more than your new car after this.. L9 turbo 3 pistons(EF-DET) is THE BEST bro, using TIMING BELT. Absober i suggest affordable one, a set of ProRide absober & spring. If you want to feel the power of EF-DET engine, 14inch 5.5-6.5jj rims is the best. Believe me bro, you wont regret with this engine..

      Note: Another version of L9 turbo is JB-DET, which is TIMING CHAIN and 4 pistons..(HARD TO FIND SPAREPART!!)

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    6. tq for suggestion bro.gonna make the recipe and calculate again the budget :)

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    7. im now converting into rf-rl twincam. cant get ef-det coz of budget.can i ask u to make instruction to change bov from standard to aftermarket one? and what type bov suitable for low boost engine? i may want the original but first maybe just used cap ayam (fake) coz of budget. and can u plz state cons of using fake bov (if there is cons) thanx a lot bro :)

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    8. * ef-rl auto from l5 convert manual my engine

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    9. Standard bov got 3 hose.
      1. Main hose from intercooler pipe to bov (bigger than other)
      2. Breather hose (connected to head cover) A bit smaller than above,
      3. Smallest, vacuum hose connected to the intake/throttle body

      changing into aftermarket bov very easy bro..just ready with hose that suit your new bov & intercooler pipe to replace hose no.1 above. Use back vacuum hose (no.3 above) into you new bov. Now, hose no.2 (breather hose) stand alone with open end right? because aftermarkent bov dont have port for breather hose. Find breather filter (can be found at car accessories/performance shop) to fit into the open end to avoid water/dust come inside. can refer here http://www.lowisslow.com/2013/08/perodua-kancil-ef-det-inside.html (as mine, breather filter just below the intercooler, blue colour).

      most of aftermrket bov such as HKS, GReedy, Trust can be use for low boost engine. Original one recommended. Imitation or "Cap ayam" can be use in short term, but worried it mulfunction when in high boost, where the valve won't open to release extra/unused compressed air. This situation can damage your turbo.

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    10. orite bro..thanx in advance :) will do it later

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    11. l9 ef-det n ef-rl what is different?i saw l9 ef-rl if i'm not mistake..

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    12. L9 with EF-RL engine? Sorry, I never knew about that..If i'm not mistaken, EF-RL only available for Mira (Trxx). Both engine (ef-det & ef-rl) DOCH 12Valve (3 cylinder), 64hp@47kW.

      Different in torque. EF-RL 105Nm@4000rpm, while EF-DET 107Nm@3600rpm. EF-DET win! haha

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    13. thnks for your info jiken bill, i almost wasted money to buy that ef-rl engine..T.Q

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  5. Hi, came across your blog and found it to be informative and interesting. I myself is into cars as well. Just would like to ask if it is worth to convert a Kelisa 1000cc engine to a EF-DET 660cc turbo. I'm looking for a minor perfomance upgrade as well as a converting manual to an automatic transmission.

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    1. Thank you friend..
      If you ask me if it is worth or not, my answer is YES. upgrade from 56hp (EJ-DE) to 64hp (EF-DET). L7/Coure also use the same engine (EF-DET). Maintenance between 1000cc (n/a) and 660 turbo not much different if you let it (660 turbo) with factory setting.

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  6. hello....did your turbo using any of factory solenoid boost controller ? it seems the hose from turbo just through into wastegates...

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    1. I didn't find any factory boost controller on my engine..

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  7. Hi can you help me out, I'm looking for a Daihatsu CB70/80 engine parts? The CB70/80 is from the charade GTTI which is the 1.0L three cylinder engine with a twin cam fuel injection motor, if you can help me find parts kindly let me know at unichipmark@gmail.com.

    regards

    Mark

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  8. hi, ur blog is very helpful & simply informative, i enjoyed reading it..can u make a post about removing kancil 660 dashboard diy coz i think i want to replace the burned out bulb at the aircond indicator area..tq

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    1. Hi. New or old model kancil? I think no need to remove the whole dashboard just to change the bulb. Just remove the cd/radio player and you can easily find the bulb's wire (2-wired). twist the bulb holder to the left/right to remove it from dashboard.

      p/s Sorry for late reply

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    2. hi, thank you for ur reply, its the old model kancil.

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  9. hai bro..wanna ask u about the wiring..do u replace all the 850 wiring to L9?..can the l9 wiring connect to 850 meter?example like the indicator light,temperature,rpm,aircond??..and how about ur fuel tank?do u change it to internal/external fuel pump?? or just added a fuel pump(kampung style la).. will the 850 gearbox fit into the l9??..

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    1. Only L9 ignition wires are used. Other than that such as gauge, lights, acc still use Kancil. Yes, L9 engine can use 850 meter but the RPM reading maybe sightly different.

      Fuel tank, advised that you use L2/L5 injection fuel tank. I use L5 fuel tank. Gearbox 850 can fit to L9 engine, as mine..

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    2. hi jiken..i got halfcut L9 ef here but my kancil is 850ezi izzit suit with my kancil?izzit plug n play n the power stering can use to my kancil?or something need to change?pls tell me,i'm not expert in enjin..sry for many question to ask..>.<

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    3. Its ok bro. Should be no problem L9 engine fitted into 850/660 kancil. If you prefer to use hydraulic power Steering, you can only use back the pump and liquid tank. Steering rack you can take from Mira L2. If you prefer an electric power steering (ECU controlled), you can take it out from Mira L5/L6.

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    4. thx for replying jill :)L9 i'm going to install u to my kancil hehee...!!

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  10. Oh i see..So just plug n play to 850 meter la?..can kelisa/kenari part use to replace l9?.. i notice that u had change ur radiator..cause standard radiator cant use for the this engine?

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    1. not 100% pnp bro, still need re-wiring. I suggest you to use L5 gauge, but you need to change the whole dashboard. So that you can use L5 gauge or the best one L9 gauge. If you don't want to change the whole dashboard, just use gauge from L2 (Injection engine) because L2,L5 and L9 gauge got "Check Engine" indicator. Standard radiator cannot support heat from 12-valve engine (especially turbocharged engine) and can cause engine overheating. Replace it with L2/L5 double layered radiator or buy aftermarket one as mine.

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  11. Wow...very useful tips...may i know is it easy to maintain avy rs turbo engine...

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    1. It just the same with other engine. Just do not use mineral oil for turbo engine. Use semi-synthetic oil or if you afford fully-synthetic oil. but for me semi-synthetic just nice. If you do not want extra maintenance cost, just let it with factory setting, do not modified here and there. Take good care of your right foot (very important). Remember that, Daihatsu Japan produce 660 turbocharged engine for the purpose overtaking and climbing-up the hill. Not for racing..

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  12. So far how was ur fuel efficiency?

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    1. normal driving with low rpm, speed between 80 - 90km/h: RM40 for 310++km. (or RM10 = 80km). If drive aggressively, blow-off valve always sneezing and speed 110-130km/h RM10 = 65-70km only. Its all depends on your right foot..

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    2. jill ..i want to know which engine turbo is better is L2S or L9?my friend says l2s is better coz all body party is PNP,but i dont mind the body part.all i want is which top speed..:)(L2S vs L9).

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    3. L9 technology newer than L2. L9 12-valve Twincam and L2 12-valve singlecam. L2 use RHB31 turbocharger (standard boost 0.5-0.6 bar) which is smaller than L9 with RHF3 turbocharger standard boost 0.8-0.9bar.. So,L9 is better..

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    5. relly..?ok thx alot jiken bill..hmm..yesterday I ask my friend I want L9 L9 more power that what I said,n he said l9 not really so power la try avy or yrv,i ask him avy n yrv suit for kancil ?he didnt know cuz he driving myvi..lol.jilken so what about avy n yrv enjin is suit for kancil?if can can u tell me more about avy n yrv?sry jiken,I have too many question to ask.:-#

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    6. So confused,which turbo is better for kancil..x.x?

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    7. Sorry very late reply. I assume you mention about AVY RS (turbo). AVY engine use the same code with L9 engine, EF-DET. Same spec, same 64hp. but AVY newer than L9. If you can find AVY, that is the best choice.

      YRV turbo (K3-VET) engine too powerful for our lightweight kancil. You can fit YRV into your kancil. but for drag purpose only.. You will never can drive it on the road. Why? because of different mounting (need to mod mounting) and more than 25% increment of original cubic capacity (cc) allowed as YRV is 1.3cc. You can try endorse, ask for approval from automotive engineering department. But the chances is very low..

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    8. is ok..thanks for your information..:D

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  13. What size did you use for your piping exhaust..2inch or 3inch?

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    1. 2-inch as my Kancil is manual transmission. 3-inch too big..

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  14. how about the clutch plate ef-det n cover?is it same as kelisa?

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    1. clutch plate & cover I am not very sure boss.. I reuse 850cc Kancil manual gearbox.

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  15. Did u also reuse the 850cc clutch plate & cover?

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    1. buy a new one..and i'm not sure whether he use kancil or kenari/kelisa clutch plate & cover. but i think it is Kancil.

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  16. how much is the over all cost bro?

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    1. almost RM5k bro..inc labour & parts

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  17. Helo jiken..i wonder if you can share me your wiring diagram from computer box to fuse box..thanks..

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    1. Sorry friend..can't do that. Too crowded there (ecu & fuse box)..

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    2. Oh ok nevermind..which fan did u use for ur radiator bro?cause i had some trouble fitting the fan on hks radiator..The l9 fan is too thick

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    3. I use back kancil's fan..

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  18. Hi Jiken, did you get your modification endorsed by JPJ? Did you get it endorsed by yourself or by the mechanic?
    how much you buy the engine only? I went to KL to buy my halfcut for RM2500 from L9. But then haven't do anything to it. Want to transfer the turbo parts from EF-DET to my kelisa EJ-DE...
    For those asking about Avy turbo engine...I think it's still very new, right?

    By the way, I'm also from Miri.... Staying in Senadin area but most of the time in Labuan :)

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    1. Hi..engine change must be endorsed by JPJ, and of cause need inspection by PUSPAKOM first. I ask for runner service to do this, but you can spend the whole day to do it by yourself and save your $$$ a lot. Runner will ask around RM250-350 depend on modification, and below RM100 if you DIY. I bought the engine for RM2500 complete wiring, ecu, gearbox..still like new. most of my friend say expensive..but i put it aside because the engine was in very good condition. just change clutch, timing belt kit & engine oil.

      Bolt-On-Turbo to EJ-DE block with EF-DET part?. Emmm Wasting I think.. If you plan to upgrade ur EJ-DE, why don't you just BOT with better parts & front mount inter-cooler instead. I understand that you want to maintain 1000cc right. I list it down here what you need.
      1. 72mm Nissan March Low comp piston (p&p to EJ-DE block) RM250
      2. Deltafin front mount Inter-cooler (new) RM200 bigger intercooler
      3. TD04L turbo (RM700) bigger turbo
      4. stainless steel intercooler piping RM400
      5.Blow off valve RM200
      6. Exhause custom manifold RM500
      gross total RM2050.. If you use RHF4 turbo (RM350), less than that bro..

      but that's is just my opinion bro.. otherwise, just replace EJ-DE with full set of EF-DET. Again, if you plan to upgrade EF-DET, you need all above except Low Compression piston.. double cost.

      last but not least, EF-DET is a better platform for playing with turbo..

      Yup, AVY turbo still new, lucky for those who own it. AVY turbo halfcut entering our market already...

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  19. Hi, thanks for your replay and advise.
    I just want to have an "OEM" look. Not going for extreme modification and high horsepower car.

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  20. fuel pump of this engine located at tank or engine?

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    1. Stock fuel pump bro, in the fuel tank

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  21. lokasi halfcut kat mane bro? ape name halfcut tu? banyak enjin lantai dye..ingt nak cari set hydraulic power steering..skang pakai eps..tapi problem ar

    english version : where's the halfcut location? and the premise name..im looking for hydraulic power steering..mostly found comes together with l9 engine..as for now, im using electric power steering (eps) but, so problematic

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    1. EPS mmg slalu problem/jamm lebih2 lgi bila wiring dh kacu sana sini. hydraulic PS x bnyk mslah.. Halfcut tu kt Miri, Swak..

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  22. Why is when im starting at 1st gear my boost reading is 0.5 but when change to 2,3,4,5 gear it boost till 0.7..is it a boostcut??why only on the 1st gear had 0.5?? L9 standard,rhf 3..

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    1. I think it is normal. Because you simply accelerate too quickly and build high RPMs so quickly in first gear, and then you shifted to the 2nd gear. That's why the boost cannot reached into its max level. Easy to say that, not enough time tor fully boost.

      My standard L9 rhf3 max boost is 0.9bar. Maybe there was a leak somewhere at the inter-cooler piping or vacuum hose. I am referring to your 0.7 boost..

      p/s: Full boost at 1st gear really make you & ur car crazy..haha. But be aware that, for standard/factory setting car it can cause mechanical problem.

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    2. It must be the air leak cause the boost needle spike up and down when boosting..better recheck the hoses.. im setting my fuel regulator to 20psi..izzit suitable?

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    3. Still cant get full boost at 1st gear..now the 2nd gear also cant get full boost..3,4,5 gear can up to 0.9 now...can it be the boost solenoid preventing from full boost??..

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  23. really almost 5K?or more?

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  24. Hey Jiken. im planning to change my 660N/A to EFDET L7 engine, is it the same with L9 EFDET engine? how about the twincam, is it can occur many problems rather than using single cam? and last question, its better for me to have whole halfcut set or just engine? tq. -newbie

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    1. EF-DET L7 & L9 same engine
      Twincam give you more power and should not make any problem.
      Whole halfcut is the best choice.. complete wiring. You can also ask the seller to start the engine and check the engine's conditio before you buy it. Bring along your mechanic if you are not sure what to check.

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  25. Hai Jiken. Saya peminat sukan bermotor. Nak tanyer pendapat. Skrg sy guna enjin EJ-DE dan dah bolt on turbo. So, nak tahu, mana satu blok lebih baik untuk di gunakan. (EF-DET 660cc @ EJ-DE 1000cc) Tujuan nya adalah untuk drag @ sprint test 402 meter. Thanks bro...

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    1. Susah jga nk ckp mana satu bro..ni semua depend dgn resepi tuner. ada yg suka blok EF, da juga yg suka blok EJ. Blok ED (850) pn favourite juga bro.. tapi kalau aku, aku guna EF-DET punya sbb blok tu mmg utk turbo punya. pasti boleh tahan boost tinggi ckit. Tapi kalau nk maintain 1.0cc tu guna blok EF-DET, kena rebore la kan utk masuk piston 72mm.. sbb piston EF-DET 68mm kalau aku tak silap.

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    2. K. Thanks bro.. Satu lagi maslah kereta sy, sblm nie sy guna turbo subaru rhf4 vf13 & vf27. Kedua-dua turbo tu berasap bila lepas sprint 402 meter. Lepas tu upgrade ke turbo TD04L, pun sama jugak. Apa masalah nya bro. Sy boost dlm 2.8 - 3 bar jer. Dah tukar kit baru pun sama juga. Thanks...

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    3. 2.8-3.0 bar JER????? hahaha.. seb baik blok x pecah bro.. Terlalu tinggi boost tu utk RHF4 bro... TD04L pn susah nk tahan dgn boost tinggi tu..mmg cnfm kondem turbo tu.. RHF4 kalau nak boost 1.3 - 1.8 bar maybe boleh tahan..huhu

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    4. Ow, ye ker. Hihihi... patut lah pun. So, apa pandangan bro. Apa TURBO yg bleh sumbat kat enjin gua tuh... biar raban skali jer. Dah pening kapla nie... coz, bulan 3 nie ader drag battle lagi... please help me.... Thanks bro...

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  26. Tuan jiken.gearbox untuk enjin fdet rs yg awk pakai tu gearbox auto triptonic ke? Mksud sy semua halfcut L9 rs efdet gearbx triptonic.

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    1. Tak pasti bro.. sebab masa beli tu mmg gearbox auto. tapi x pasti triptonic ke tak sebab terus jual balik dgn kedai dgn hrga RM700. Nak pakai manual GB..

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  27. Bos dimiri kat mana kedai nda beli parts? workshop yg buleh tukar kan dahboard plus wiring??

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    1. parts apa boss? sy suggest Hong Seng autoparts, Piasau Utara.

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  28. can i get kancil 850 ez auto gear box 4 speed and how much cost including installation?

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    1. You can easily find it at used autopart dealer. Price around RM500-600 inc labour charge.

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  29. Hi Mr Bill,
    I've got a Kancil with the 847cc fuel injected engine. In the UK these cars are called Nippa. I have been trying to find the correct position for the distributor but have no reference marks. There are no markings on belt pulleys to help me. A strobe light is useless without markings. Can you give some idea of how to set the correct spark ignition timing please? Any help would be appreciated.

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    1. very sorry.. I can't help you about this.

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  30. Double din player...safety bar kena potong ke ..

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    1. Tak perlu potong & x akan kena safety bar tu.

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  31. Bro, im interested to transplant my 660 kancil into l9 ef-det. I found an engine l9 content Turbo with inter-cooler,Gearbox (Automatic Transmission)ECU,Cross-member. Besides those listed things, what should I buy or change for my kancil? Fuel Tank? Dashboard for meters? Need some help over here. Thank you in advance bro

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  32. Gearbox fluid
    Engine oil
    EFI Fuel tank
    L5/L2 dashboard with meter
    Timing belt
    L2s air cleaner box
    L2/L5 turbo radiator/aluminum radiator
    L5 double layer disc brake
    refill air condition gases.
    automatic gear lever (if currently using manual)

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    1. thank you for the fast reply. wow.. that quite a list to buy..all the above can be found in miri?? i still thinknig whether to get l5/l2s/l9.. perhaps u can give me some suggestion.

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