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Saturday, 25 February 2012

Upgrade Perodua Kancil to EFI fuel system (with/without Turbo)

Perodua kancil is a well know fuel saving compact car operated with its carburator fuel system. Nowdays, every new car comes out with Electronic Fuel System (EFI) that will quarantee you a lower fuel consumpation especially on compact car. EFI system is an electronic-controled fuel injector by the ECU (Engine Control Unit) to inject the fuel trough the nozzle under high pressure to the combussion area. By converting to EFI system, you can feel the different especially the on the fuel consumpation, engine smoothness and of cause a powerful engine becasue of the L2/L2s 12-valve head compared to 6-valve on Perodua Kancil.  While using the carburator fuel system on your Perodua Kancil, you satisfied enough with its fuel consumpation. Just imagine if the carburator system converted to the EFI system.. Fuel consumpation should be MARVELLOUS!!!

If you want to convert to EFI system without changing the original engine block (for the purpose of maintaining the engine number), you can take this EFI kit from Daihatsu Mira 660cc L2/L2s. This is the list of item you needed to make this project accomplish, for non-turbo (N/A).

**Read also Perodua Kancil converted to 660cc Move L9 turbocharged engine (EF-DET)

1. 12valve L2/L2s engine head (recommended L2/L2s turbo 12v head for future upgrade to turbo)
2. L2/L2s engine wiring set (recommended L2/L2s turbo wiring set for future upgrade to turbo)
3.  L2/L2s Ecu (recommended L2/L2s turbo ECU for future upgrade to turbo)
4.  L2/L2s Intake Manifold
5.  L2/L2s Exhaust Manifold (N/A manifold) 6.  L2/L2s Double Layer Radiator
7.  Double Layer Gasket/Metal Gasket.
8.  L2/L2s Fuel tank

*note: L2/L2s is a Daihatsu Mira model in Japan.

If you want to convert the non-turbo (N/A) EFI system to turbo, list of item listed above is needed but need to change the N/A exhaust manifold to turbo exhaust manifold. But make sure you use L2/L2s turbo 12-valve head and L2/L2s turbo wiring set including the ECU. For information, L2/L2s N/A engine wiring cannot use for turbo engine as well as the N/A ECU. Problem in tune up the engine, unless using the engine management system such as E-manage.

When playing with turbo, the stock Perodua Kancil piston also must be change to L2/L2s turbo piston. For the 660cc model, no need to rebore the piston cylinder but still have to use the l2/l2s turbo piston because Perodua Kancil piston is a high compression piston while l2/l2s turbo piston is low compression. High compression piston not suitabel for turbo engine especially in high boost.

But for 850cc model, you need to rebore the piston cylinder because the size of 850cc piston is smaller than 660cc model (660cc piston = 68mm, 850cc piston 66.8mm).

There are privileges in which the 850cc will be 882cc turbo when coupled with a larger piston (piston l2/l2s) and higher block that was only availalbe on 850cc block (660cc block lower than 850cc). 850cc gearbox can be reuse and this will give your car extra power compared to L2/l2s 660cc turbo.

But if you have a budget around RM5000, it is advisable to buy 660cc Daihatsu half-cut set from auto half-cut store for a better functions of other electrical equipment such as air-conditioner and power stering. Some of the combined-wiring (kancil wiring+L2/L2s EFI wiring) may cause air-conditioner fail to function properly. But there is a solution for this, by using FICD (Fast Idle Control Device).
Daihatsu Mira L2s Half-cut from Japan.

Daihatsu Mira 660cc L2/L2s comes with turbo engine with stock 64hp.
Credit to hahasale.com for the picture.

MUST READ ARTICLE: Perodua Kancil converted to 660cc Move L9 turbocharged engine (EF-DET)

74 comments:

  1. Nice info bro...

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  2. Gd information for my next project..

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  3. what would the price be for the turbo setup with pistons

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    1. Conversion from carb to Efi (EFI kit) cost estimate around RM1500-RM2000 for non turbo. Rebore 850 engine block to fit 660 pistons and turbo charger estimate in RM2000-RM2700 including labour cost. If you buy one Mira halfcut, the halfcut itself around RM3500-RM3800 excluding the installation labour cost around RM500-RM700. Different place different price..but still around that.

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  4. good info bro..
    how about performance (especially pick-up) & petrol consumption?
    **maintain standard condition.

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    1. Performance ofcoz better than Ori carburator engine, Stock kancil engine is 6-valve, when you convert to 12-valve EFI head, it will increase the engine horsepower. About fuel consumpation, EFI system will give you extra mileage than Kancil's carburator engine. Im very sure you can feel the different..

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    2. The more horsepower,more fuel consumption!!!

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  5. i also agree EFI system will give you extra mileage than carburator engine,but i still don't no why if i stuck in traffic jam,i will used more fuel...(i'm using kancil old model with l2s turbo automatic engine)...can you help me with that problem?

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  6. Automatic transmission engine will use more fuel than manual trans especially in traffic jamm. If possible, Drop the gear to "N" position, rather than "D", just when you need to drive forward, then drop it back to "D", as if u are using manual tranmission.. Then, check the engine RPM when indling without using aircond and when using aircond. the best rpm should be 1000-1300k

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  7. what if i have a L2 engine block? can i merge a few things from my kancil 850cc to complete the engine?

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  9. need to change crankshaft also ka if use 850 stock engine block dat have been rebored? tQ...

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    1. Yes, once you install 660 L2 piston into 850 block (rebore), you need to use all the l2 parts,including conrod & crankshaft.

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    2. can u help me please list down all the things that i need to have to convert my 850cc into 882cc L2 hybrid? i'm planning to buy them one by one... or can u show me the appropriate web to guide me? tQ...

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    3. I think i've list it down above. u just need to add 660piston and cranksharf to the list. I have no idea what site to suggest to you. But you can join/read online automotive forum for more informations.

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    4. L2 piston in block 850.
      L2 piston (bore 68mm, stroke 60.5mm)
      850 block (bore 66.8mm, stroke 81mm)

      850 block + L2 piston must use 850 crankshaft and 850 conrod. or else the L2 piston running in 850 block only produce the same 659cc engine. but when using 850 block, 850 crankshaft, 850 conrod, L2 piston, it will produce 882cc engine. L2 piston just pnp to 850 conrod since the piston pins size are same (18mm)

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  10. FICD (Fast Idle Control Device)..is it available at all wiring shop?

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  11. I am not very sure about that bro. But this device can be easily found at halfcut/used autoparts shop. A lot of people got one that taken out from toyota FICD.

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  12. can ecu turbo use on NA car?

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  13. Why need to change the fuel tank? Is it because the fuel pressure from 660cc standard fuel tank is low?

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    1. Yes..one of it is differential in fuel pressure. EFI system need high pressure (25-60psi), carb fuel pressure around 4-6psi. Then, Fuel pump for carb engine usually located somewhere at the engine bay, but fuel pump for EFI engine located inside the tanks/submerged with fuel in the fuel tank. One more thing, EFI fuel tank also has a return fuel line.

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    2. where i can the best half cut mira 660cc in penang/kedah area??any suggestion...help me with this>>

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    3. contact botak at permatang pauh (0195514275)

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  14. Hi Braders,where i can get best half cut shop(mira 660cc) in penang/kedah area??any suggestion...help me with this>>

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    1. I'm very sorry bro, i have no idea about that. But you can try find it with keyword "halfcut" in mudah.my. I found one here from mudah.my (kedah): click this link http://www.mudah.my/li?ca=2_s&id=95540 Speedy Motorsport Enterprise, call a cong-0138677772-SPEEDY MOTORSPORT,Jalan Datuk Kumbar,Alor Setar,Kedah.. hope this can help you.

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    2. 7,Pusat Perniagaan Tajar Jaya,KM5, Jalan Datuk Kumbar,05300 Alor Setar, Kedah. Bangunan Oren 2 Tingkat.

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  15. hi there, would like to know how much would it cost now for a conversion of my 850 manual kancil to a turbo one? ...i dont wish to transplant...just wanted to turbo my current engine...any idea where to do in cheras kl?

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  16. Turbo Kit for perodua Kancil around RM1000-RM1500. But it will cost you more in the future and make your headache. A lot of problem will occur when you turborised your stock carburetor engine especially in tuning process. But if you still want to try this, stay with boost 0.5 - 0.6 bar and don't let your right foot too naughty..

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  17. how much cost to rebore 850 engine block?

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  18. i want to convert my L2 block to 850 block..why must convert the all part L2 to 850?what prob L2 head pnp to 850?

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    1. I assume your L2 is turbocharged engine. For a better performance and toughness if you plan to bolt-on-turbo to 850 block. If n/a engine, just let 850 parts there. L2 head & 850 block different in coolant flow route. But nothing is impossible. lot people say money can do anything..

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  19. Salam Bro can u simplify, what is the diffrnce between stock kancil with one that is converted to mira l2 turbo.- Service,-F.consumption,-Durability because im planning to buy a kancil by end of october. Hope u can give consultation abit. Tq and Regards.

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    1. Service.. turbo engine a bit higher. eg cannot use mineral oil,as kancil. Semi synthetic good enough, must use turbo spec sparkplug. Turbo engine should be low on fuel consumption because Mira L2/L5/L9 fuel injection engine, but because of "heavy right foot habit" fuel consumption will be higher. More power, more fuel.. L2/L5/L7/L9 turbo engine generate up to 64hp, compared to stock 850cc kancil only 37hp.

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    2. tq, bro, for the consultation,

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  20. Hi dude tnx for amazing blog would you write about Perodua Kancil carburetor parts and how to do carburetor adjustment for Kancil 660?

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  21. I got one question can a stock kancil being mod into triple carb engine? i got this idea because everyone is going to turbo

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  22. bro what is the price for kancil l2? stock bodykit, only convert engine to turbo.. ?
    the range la value.
    year 96. because nowdays the are selling ikot suka hati, eventhought the car is already kaput.

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    1. 1996, RM5-8k. depend on conditions. Well maintain & in good conditions such as parts & colour/body can be up to RM8k. Easy to say below RM10k.

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    2. I buy avy rs engine install to my kancil.. only 1400 k myr..
      Hihihi..
      My next planning is to change the block.. where is only costing 1500 k..
      Hahahaaa.. dont be mad..
      Endorse only 30 myr
      Haahhahaa

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    3. I buy avy rs engine install to my kancil.. only 1400 k myr..
      Hihihi..
      My next planning is to change the block.. where is only costing 1500 k..
      Hahahaaa.. dont be mad..
      Endorse only 30 myr
      Haahhahaa

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    4. I buy avy rs engine install to my kancil.. only 1400 k myr..
      Hihihi..
      My next planning is to change the block.. where is only costing 1500 k..
      Hahahaaa.. dont be mad..
      Endorse only 30 myr
      Haahhahaa

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  23. hello bro,i wanna ask,what comparison between kancil 660cc and l2???

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    1. you mean standard 660cc Perodua Kancil & 660cc Mira L2? Both are Single Over Head Cam (SOHC). Also same engine block code; EF.

      Ok.
      Perodua 660cc - use carburator, 6-valve, 31hp, without power steering,

      Mira L2 660t - Electronic Fuel Injection (EFI), 12-valve turbo (also got n/a), 64hp, Electric power steering,

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  24. actually i want to convert my kancil 660cc carburator to EFI,my planning is buy 12v head l2,efi l2,set wiring,fuel tank.is't enough to make it works?thanks..:)

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    1. You also need intake manifold, exhaust manifold and double layer/bigger radiator.

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  25. hi, im using 850CC auto trans, mira N502, giving me an average of 10km/liter here in karachi,Pakistan, traffic jams are common n u can hardly gain 30km/h speed.
    how can i improve the millage?
    we have a yards here where we can find any thing EFI, system, head, engine 660cc. almost every thing .

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  26. i want to convert my kancil to injection but i just have engine wiring harnes can u gave wiring diagram for l2s ecu pinout 12-22 please....

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    1. Sorry bro. . I can't help you about that..Have no idea. .

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  27. Salam,can you suggest best mira engine to convert with kancil 850,i want a smooth drive and a drag speed,u feel me? Ty :-)

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  28. Daihatsu Mira L5 Twincam (660cc Turbo. Also got non turbo)
    Daihatsu Coure L7 Twincam (660cc Turbo. Also got non turbo)
    Daihatsu Move L9 EF-DET Twincam(660cc Turbo)
    Daihatsu Sirion/Storia EJ-VE Twincam DVVT(1.0cc)
    Daihatsu AVY EF-DET Twincam (660cc turbo. also got non turbo)

    Sorry bro..smooth drive & drag i think it is hard to be together.
    for smooth drive EJ-VE Twincam DVVT 1000cc
    For drag speed EF-DET twincam 660 turbo. This engine also can give you smooth drive if you are not dragster..

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  29. Yo bro, im looking engine for my 660cc kancil. Im currently working in Miri. Having difficulty to find a half cut. Can you suggest me where to find halfcut l2s or l5.

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    1. Got 2 L2s turbo halfcut for you. sms/whatapp me 0198687669

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    2. Mr. Jiken. Do you have any idea where I can get a second hand tip-top condition of a carburetor or a new one in Miri for my Kancil 850 ?

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  30. Bro..may i asking...i want to change my kancil engine 660 standart...
    Which is the best engine for a smooth,great performance and drive for long distance suitable engine for my kancil??
    I prefer NA engine..because always hear people says turbo might have problem..bla..bla..bla..
    Hope u can help me..

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    1. Turbo engine will not give u any problem as long as u didn't touch its factory setup and well maintain. L5 660 twincam also got n/a EFI engine. But kenari/kelisa/storia/Move L9/L7 which is 1000cc also can be fitted into kancil. But if kancil 850 should be no problem. But yours is 660. If u prefer 1000cc engine, it is recommended to refer with puspakom near to you. But a lot of 660 kancil fitted with 1000cc engine..just fulfil the requirement needed by the puspakom.

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  31. Can 660 blok use 850 crankshaft and conrod?

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    1. cannot. 850's crankshaft + conrod is longer than 660. Because 850 block a bit higher than 660 block. If u install it in 660 block, piston will hit valve & engine's head.

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  32. hi jiken bill... i so happy meet u in forum. can u give the ecu piinout for kelisa malaysia. send me the info regard...
    Rosdi.salleh.poli@1govuc.gov.my

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    1. I am very sorry.. I have no idea about that bro

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  33. Hi. I m from Kuala Lumpur and thinking of converting my Kancil 850cc manual year 2000 engine to Mira halfcut L2s manual turbo 660cc. Pls advice benefits and cost to change. I was recently quoted rm3500 for halfcut engine (no body parts) and rm700 installation. Is it on the high side?

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    1. L2s halfcut a bit expensive bro... why dont u find L6/L9 halfcut with EF-DET engine. more powerful, newer and cheaper than L2s. L6/L9 halfcut i think around RM2500-3000. Installation around RM500-700 including parts

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  34. Bro, mana lagi power enjin l9 ef-det ke l9 jb-det?
    Kalau nk masuk head l5 or l6 or l7 or l9 kt kancil standard 850 boleh tak?

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    1. Sama je power tu bro..cuma L9 jb-det da smooth ckit klau high speed (depend dgn condition engine juga). Walaupun ef-det 3 piston, tapi saiz piston lebih besar. jb-det 4 piston, tapi kecik. so ada win-win situation kat situ. ef-det senang lagi nak upgade, parts pun banyak compare dgn jb-det.

      Boleh, tapi kena cari pomen yg betul2 mahir buat. sebab water jacket tak sama.

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    2. boleh bantu pertanyaan saya?

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  35. Salam..sy nak tumpang tanya..sy pengguna kancil 850.Tp penggunaan minyak kancil sy sgt tinggi.makenik di tempat sy kata carburator sy tak stabil dan perlu diganti.dia suggest tukar kpd carburator 660.soalan sy,,adakah tukar kpd carburator 660 akan membantu dlm penjimatan mnyak? apakah effect menggantikan carburator 660 ke dlm enjin 850?pros n cons? sy memerlukan nasihat..sy amat noob pasal kereta..terima kasih;))

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  36. atau adakah cara lain untuk menjimatkan minyak kancil 850 selain dari cara pemanduan? memandangkan sy student.maka nya sy x kisah dgn kelajuan tp penjimatan minyak...adakah part2 yg boleh diganti utk membantu penjimatan minyak kancil 850? tq

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  37. Ok bro. nk tanya lagi. Haritu pegi jumpa pomen ckp nk tukar head l2s. Lps tu dia x recommend pakai head tu. Dia recommend tukar ke head kelisa sbb twincam. Dia ckp lg power. Mcm mana ye? Mana lg baik?

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  38. Saya ada problem sdkit. Nak tanya admin dan sesiapa yg berpengalaman dlm k-car. Saya asalnya guna engine EX660(M) pada kancil mata petak tahun 2001. Pada awal thn 2013, saya tlh install kat kedai halfcut engine L6 turbo 660 (LSD Automatic Gearbox). Crossmamber, Gearbox Auto, drive shaft, steering rack, EPS, dan kaki2 semuanya masuk dlm krta kncil sya.Tetapi mslh nya skrg payah nak alignment tayar(lari ke kiri). Adakah sbb frame cross member L6 xsma dgn kancil EX660?@ sbb steering rack adlh EPS?
    Perlukah sya tukar crosmember ke L2?
    Dan bagaimana sya nak cari drive shaft baharu kiri & kanan utk L6 Auto Gearbox ni? Lower Amr L6 ada spare parts baru ke? Kat mna nak cri Rocker cover gasket L6? Bolehkah tak perlu guna aluminium yg di rivet dkt Valve cover tu, yg ada 3 seals plug? Help me. Sabahan peminat k-car.tqvm

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  39. salam, saya nak bertanya sedikit, saya ingin convert kereta kancil 660cc (m) taun 2000 ke l2( n/a turbo ). soalan nye nya, berapa harga enjin tersebut sekarang ni, dan berapa anggaran upah. apa yang perlu ditukar dan apa barang yang tak perlu... minta bantuan... sebab enjin yang asal ni dah macam2 problem...

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  40. Masuk enjin kelisa jepun aje senang.... 1.0 cc... aggaran dlm 2.5k area kelantan.... nak lebih lanjut join group barang kancil sahaja kt fb...

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